Oh, so true. At least we finally agree on something.
WHO WOULDN'T AGREE WITH THAT? ONLY PHILISTINES.
As for crippling Pike, my mom and I had a VERY long discussion about that and we don't think he was paralyzed at the end of the movie. Just injured.
they still went, "oh yeah, pike was in a wheelchair in the show, LET'S PUT HIM IN ONE FOR THE MOVIE TOO LOLS". plus, if he's still recovering from injuries that means kirk is promoted from cadet to captain in the space of a few days, which is... awful.
but yeah, bruce greenwood was a sexy pike. good work, casting.
if he's still recovering from injuries that means kirk is promoted from cadet to captain in the space of a few days, which is... awful
well, pike was promoted to admiral, so we know that he's not the captain of the "enterprise" anymore at the end of the movie. i'm almost certain that we're meant to think that kirk was promoted to captain of the "enterprise".
yes, he's obviously promoted to captain of the enterprise at the end of the film, but we don't know exactly how much time passes between the destruction of the romulan ship and kirk's promotion. it's obviously not long but even a few weeks would be better than a day or so. not much, but still.
I'm going with 3-4 weeks, in the fanon inside my head. The novelisation syas all the remaining upperclassmen go back to classes, thus implying they still have to finish out the term before graduating and receiving commissions.
Sadly, rather than fleshing out the story with additional scenes, descriptions, and subplots, ADF instead adds lots and lots of mediocre dialogue to existing scenes, instead. It's way useful for some things, and HELLA FUNNY in others. But if you're going to get a copy, I suggest getting the unabridged audio, for the non-stop hilarity that is Zach Quinto (particularly when he does Chekov and Scotty). Also, Quinto as sassy Uhura during the dive bar scene is WIN.
Also, I do not think I buy Spock and Uhura having any kind of physical relationship prior to the 'lift scene. It still feels close but platonic to me (plus that would make sense for Spock Prime and Uhura Prime, if they had the same relationship, which never crossed that line).
Sadly, rather than fleshing out the story with additional scenes, descriptions, and subplots, ADF instead adds lots and lots of mediocre dialogue to existing scenes, instead.
that's disappointing. he always did so much with the logs.
Also, I do not think I buy Spock and Uhura having any kind of physical relationship prior to the 'lift scene.
i can buy them having a private sexual relationship prior to that scene a hell of a lot easier than i can buy them making out in public on the transport pads. not just because of old series characterisation but beucase of how spock stopped the display of affection in the turbolift as soon as he made it to where he was going and then continued calmly down the corridor.
Yeah, but that's the point of the transporter room scene. Spock makes a choice Spock Prime couldn't/didn't make and acts on it. That's how we know from that point forward, their paths diverge. And he's not trying to be more-Vulcan-than-Vulcan to compensate for his human half, but accepts that he is neither wholly one nor the other but both.
He can't do that until Sarek tells him that he loved his mother. That's the difference bewteeen the two scenes and how he handles his grief and emotions, and that's the progress Spock makes as a character.
It took Spock Prime dying that one time to come to that same point in his life.
it just didn't convince me that that's what was happening. there's becoming comfortable with both parts of your heritage, as spock eventually does in the film trilogy, and there's making out in front of your fellow crewmembers. becoming comfortable with both his human and his vulcan heritage doesn't mean throwing away vulcan propriety entirely (or even normal human or star fleet propriety -- PDA in front of other officers seems like it's probably not the done thing, you know?), that idea that it was one or the other was what kept him conflicted for so long in the first place. i could have seen a quick kiss, or even a long, deep one if it was sudden, but they were just standing there making out as kirk walked into the transporter room, took his place on the pad, and then proceeded to watch them for a bit. to me it felt out of place, one of the obvious hollywood insertions.
like a lot in the movie the idea was good but the execution was distinctly shallow.
I don't think they were making out the entire time--you see them talking while Jim is talking to Chekov over comms. it wasn't until Jim walked over to the pad that you see Spock and Nyota kiss. And it didn't feel gratuitous to me? But I am also biased. I've spent the last week watching the movie over and over again, as I work on fic.
i have totally shipped spock and uhura in my mind since i was in middle school so i liked that the film posited a relationship, i just thought that particular scene just did it rather badly. like, hey audience, get it? GET IT?? which was too bad since the rest of the film actually managed it quite well.
I agree that was weird to me too. I wondered if this was how it was going to be every time spock went on a dangerous away mission. Total hollywood insertion, kinda like "well, we should get some booty action shots in case we never get the chance again."
But mostly the group of people I went with were just happy that they didn't have Uhura fall for Kirk.
dude, if they had to do it, i was sooooooo glad it was spock and uhura. and i could understand why the producers wanted kirk to see it, because it was a hilariously awesome way to undercut the whole "kirk always gets the girl" thing that even someone who's NEVER seen star trek knows. i just think they could have done that in a way that made more sense for the characters. there's no sense that it's odd or new for spock to be snogging uhura in front of people. it was just weird.
we agree about hot guys plenty! you have a particular type i'm not into (colin baker, the shat) and i have one you're not into (weasely dudes with crosseyes and gay shirts). we both agree that chris eccleston is sex.
although i do find john barrowman really unattractive. he is a kirk type though.
Huh. You're right. I like 'em big and bombastic. You like 'em skinny and sartorially challenged. You are shockingly wise.
And I've already told you! John Barrowman IS really unattractive. Captain Jack is where it's at. But you've got a point. The galaxy-sized ego is really what turns my crank. ::facepalm:: I disgust myself sometimes.
if jack got the treatment that kirk did in a lot of the ST books (fleshing out his character, making him not a douche, etc) i would probably\end up liking him a lot more. it's why i don't mind reading some fic about jack if it's written well, because the idea of the character's quite good once he's not confined by bad writing and acting. not that i've really found any jack fic that's done that, but it could exist.
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Date: 2009-05-14 04:08 pm (UTC)WHO WOULDN'T AGREE WITH THAT? ONLY PHILISTINES.
As for crippling Pike, my mom and I had a VERY long discussion about that and we don't think he was paralyzed at the end of the movie. Just injured.
they still went, "oh yeah, pike was in a wheelchair in the show, LET'S PUT HIM IN ONE FOR THE MOVIE TOO LOLS". plus, if he's still recovering from injuries that means kirk is promoted from cadet to captain in the space of a few days, which is... awful.
but yeah, bruce greenwood was a sexy pike. good work, casting.
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Date: 2009-05-14 04:15 pm (UTC)well, pike was promoted to admiral, so we know that he's not the captain of the "enterprise" anymore at the end of the movie. i'm almost certain that we're meant to think that kirk was promoted to captain of the "enterprise".
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Date: 2009-05-14 04:28 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-14 04:41 pm (UTC)i'll just keep telling myself that it was at least a few weeks before he was made captain...
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Date: 2009-05-14 04:46 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2009-05-14 05:20 pm (UTC)Also, I do not think I buy Spock and Uhura having any kind of physical relationship prior to the 'lift scene. It still feels close but platonic to me (plus that would make sense for Spock Prime and Uhura Prime, if they had the same relationship, which never crossed that line).
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Date: 2009-05-14 05:50 pm (UTC)that's disappointing. he always did so much with the logs.
Also, I do not think I buy Spock and Uhura having any kind of physical relationship prior to the 'lift scene.
i can buy them having a private sexual relationship prior to that scene a hell of a lot easier than i can buy them making out in public on the transport pads. not just because of old series characterisation but beucase of how spock stopped the display of affection in the turbolift as soon as he made it to where he was going and then continued calmly down the corridor.
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Date: 2009-05-14 05:54 pm (UTC)He can't do that until Sarek tells him that he loved his mother. That's the difference bewteeen the two scenes and how he handles his grief and emotions, and that's the progress Spock makes as a character.
It took Spock Prime dying that one time to come to that same point in his life.
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Date: 2009-05-14 06:05 pm (UTC)like a lot in the movie the idea was good but the execution was distinctly shallow.
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Date: 2009-05-14 06:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-14 06:15 pm (UTC)i have totally shipped spock and uhura in my mind since i was in middle school so i liked that the film posited a relationship, i just thought that particular scene just did it rather badly. like, hey audience, get it? GET IT?? which was too bad since the rest of the film actually managed it quite well.
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Date: 2009-05-14 07:45 pm (UTC)But mostly the group of people I went with were just happy that they didn't have Uhura fall for Kirk.
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Date: 2009-05-14 08:04 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-14 04:58 pm (UTC)However, the fact that we agree on the hotness of 2 separate dudes in the space of one post? One of us needs to mark this date down on the calendar.
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Date: 2009-05-14 05:07 pm (UTC)although i do find john barrowman really unattractive. he is a kirk type though.
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Date: 2009-05-14 05:11 pm (UTC)And I've already told you! John Barrowman IS really unattractive. Captain Jack is where it's at. But you've got a point. The galaxy-sized ego is really what turns my crank. ::facepalm:: I disgust myself sometimes.
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Date: 2009-05-14 05:56 pm (UTC)