Two Treatises of Detection

[prof_pangaea]

should i bother with new sherlock? rachel talalay directed so maybe it will be pretty to glance at as i scroll on twitter?

i also have latest elementary to catch up on but i expect that to be any good at all, so.

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[sorryforlaughing]

I still like it. And the Victorian special. I FUCKING HATED this. My taste is a many-splendored thing, or something.

[prof_pangaea]

you are perversely making me more interested in watching it just to find out how fucking horrible it is and in what ways.

[sorryforlaughing]

Hey, you might love it and wonder what the hell my problem is, it's a big beautiful world. Just, when I watch Elementary I'm absolutely convinced that Sherlock and Joan are platonic soul mates and that he's a better person for having known her, but I am still completely mystified as to why Sherlock and John bother with each other at all. Among the many, many other things I disliked about this one.

[prof_pangaea]

Hey, you might love it and wonder what the hell my problem is, it's a big beautiful world.

lol no. i thought s3 was... well, not good. i remember trying to watch with my roommates who were very interested until we were actually watching... not sure if they ever finished the season.

actually i've never really connected with this show except for the end of s2, which i found INCREDIBLE. but which led to basically... nothing in s3. my problem has always been that holmes and watson don't seem like actual friends, who like each other, let alone love each other. s2 seemed to be pointing towards that journey but then s3 dropped that ball utterly while also having plots that were not particularly impressive. although alfie enoch was quite gorgeous in his five minutes in the second episode.

[sorryforlaughing]

I rewatched "Reichenbach Fall" a few months ago after not having seen it in ages, and I agree, it's probably the best episode they ever did. S3 doesn't do anything with any of the potential in it, but probably because I'm, dare I say it, filthy-casual about all things Sherlockian I still enjoyed it.

[capalxii]

my problem has always been that holmes and watson don't seem like actual friends, who like each other, let alone love each other.

this was always my issue with the series and other than Reichenbach Fall i never fully got it. maybe it's just because Elementary has so much more time to build out the relationship, but i found myself comparing the two and Sherlock always felt like it came up short

fwiw i heard some stuff about the latest that made me weirdly relieved i'd bailed on the show earlier, ymmv though.

[prof_pangaea]

i've watched a lot of holmes films that have convinced me holmes and watson are friends in an hour and a half or less, so i don't think length of time has ever been the reason that sherlock failed to convince. it's just the ethos of the show.

i know people love blaming moff for all of its many failings but frankly it's gatiss who i think is the worse problem, since moff on his own has written some incredible pieces of television and gatiss... has not. they clearly brought out the worst in each other for this season though. (yes, i watched it. you made the right choice in bailing).

[capalxii]

Aw man that sucks, especially when it's a show you're invested in or wanted to be. At least there's still Elementary?

Re: Gatiss, yeah. It feels like when they're together they get a little too, idk. Caught up in trying to be clever or something, and they lose the plot and characterization.