sex and death

[prof_pangaea]

so apparently i will be reccing at three_settings this week. check it out if you're curious as to what kind of fic makes me think, "oh that was quite sexy. oh, and also well-written. and i won't mind admitting to that in public. too much." or avoid that, if you're afraid to find out (or already knoooow and wish you didn't D:).

meanwhile, there's a thread on the anonmeme about whether gallifrey and the time lords should be brought back. and so i've been scrolling past this comment all day (which is part of thread where everyone's like, yeah get rid of it for good! stop bringing it up!) and every time i see it it HURTS MY SOUL:

Yeah, but thing is? New canon hasn't really made a case for its absence. I mean, it's present by its constant absence, more so even than Rose was.

other than the fact that that statement doesn't make logical sense (make a case, what?), it's strange to this commenter that the continued absence of the doctor's home planet is "present" within the show? what, is he going to forget he blew it up and wiped every being on it, including his own family, his own children, off the face of the universe? and it's even stranger that this is made more of an issue in the show than rose being gone?

i just. this statement does not compute. of course gallifrey's absence is mentioned more than rose's! GUYS HE DESTROYED HIS ENTIRE SOCIETY, HE COMMITED GENOCIDE AGAINST HIS OWN PEOPLE. HE KILLED HIS OWN CHILDREN. this is more important than a not!girlfriend, even if she was dead, and not alive and healthy with her entire family and an inherited job and inherited wealth. gah!!

Comments

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

I think the point was - if you don't want Gallifrey to be a presence anymore, destroying it is shooting yourself in the foot.

i certainly agree with that, although i'm still not sure if that's what that particular commenter was trying to say (i think someone else in the thread said something like this though). and i know i personally don't think that the absence of the time lords is sufficiently explored, either for the doctor or the universe -- it's mentioned sometimes, but not actually as often as you'd expect given its importance, and so we're left wondering, well, why did RTD destroy it at all, then? well, the obvious reason is so the new show can have a kind of clean slate in certain respects -- or more accurately, a clear demarcation of now and before. it's the same show but there is quite a gap between 1989 and 2005, and how will this be represented in the show? because going back to the exact same storyline and format isn't going to cut it.

but anyway, my only true puzzlement comes from "moreso even than rose was". i can't understand a meaning where that doesn't imply either that gallifrey's absence should be brought up less often than rose's absence, or that bringing up rose is annoying but so is bringing up gallifrey. which i can understand if they're frustrated that they're not doing anything very thematically interesting with gallifrey's destruction, but surely there's no way to do *anything* interesting with it if it's never brought up at all?

And we can entirely ignore the Time Lord culture of Deadly Assassin

sexy poet shirt: yes. pathetic bureaucratic bumbling reminiscent of the bbc: no.

if you've listened to the gallifrey audios, i think there are some nice things in those, with the general atmosphere of pettiness, backstabbing, stagnation and arrogance, although the actual mechanics of government are bit... um. but points for effort, yes!

[shobogan.livejournal.com]

It's really disappointing, especially if you like Gallifrey – if it's destroyed, I want it to be done properly. I want it to matter. (It's a bit odd, as I started with New Who - but then I prefer Classic overall anyway.) I kind of wish Nine had died to bring it back, as I think it worked better for him than Ten.

I'm thinking it's just a point of comparison? At least, I hope it was. I have seen people convinced that Rose was more important, which - just - head, desk, etc. Even just saying they're the same - and why would you, it'd mean he liked Rose much better when she was gone. :p It could be that they think the manner of them being brought up was equally bad?

Four's poet shirt really was the best thing about it. Which works with my "it's all filtered through Four's wonky perception" theory, come to that.

I've started the Gallifrey audios, and love them like pie. Crazy, crazy pie.