sex and death

[prof_pangaea]

so apparently i will be reccing at three_settings this week. check it out if you're curious as to what kind of fic makes me think, "oh that was quite sexy. oh, and also well-written. and i won't mind admitting to that in public. too much." or avoid that, if you're afraid to find out (or already knoooow and wish you didn't D:).

meanwhile, there's a thread on the anonmeme about whether gallifrey and the time lords should be brought back. and so i've been scrolling past this comment all day (which is part of thread where everyone's like, yeah get rid of it for good! stop bringing it up!) and every time i see it it HURTS MY SOUL:

Yeah, but thing is? New canon hasn't really made a case for its absence. I mean, it's present by its constant absence, more so even than Rose was.

other than the fact that that statement doesn't make logical sense (make a case, what?), it's strange to this commenter that the continued absence of the doctor's home planet is "present" within the show? what, is he going to forget he blew it up and wiped every being on it, including his own family, his own children, off the face of the universe? and it's even stranger that this is made more of an issue in the show than rose being gone?

i just. this statement does not compute. of course gallifrey's absence is mentioned more than rose's! GUYS HE DESTROYED HIS ENTIRE SOCIETY, HE COMMITED GENOCIDE AGAINST HIS OWN PEOPLE. HE KILLED HIS OWN CHILDREN. this is more important than a not!girlfriend, even if she was dead, and not alive and healthy with her entire family and an inherited job and inherited wealth. gah!!

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[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

here (http://community.livejournal.com/who_anon/5574.html?thread=24340166#t24340166) is the thread so you can see the comment in question in its native environment. i re-read that thread so many times because i wanted to understand that comment! re-reading it again i think the commenter is saying that gallifrey should come back, because the show hasn't done a good enough job justifying its absence, because it keep being mentioned even though its gone? but again, if you're actually going to go ahead and make a storyline as insane as "the doctor destroys gallifrey, commits double genocide", i *do* think that the fact he did that should be brought up on occasion (otherwise... why do it?), so i don't understand the anon's concern. of course, i could have it completely turned around, because every time i read it i become confused anew.

Also, I'm not sure it's that clever, to equate Gallifrey with Rose. One embodies failure, unmet obligations, lost chances, lost family, domesticity. The other is his home planet.

knowing what you could have, but being unwilling to settle down in order to have those things. yes, sounds familiar.

What I meant to say, before I got distracted, is that it's not necessarily positive for Rose, equating her with Gallifrey.

sorry, i was about to make a profound statement, but then i pictured rose in a silly time lord hat.

[lizbee.livejournal.com]

I have lots of very clever things to say, but I'm watching "Terror of the Zygons" and shipping Doctor/Loch Ness Monster.

sorry, i was about to make a profound statement, but then i pictured rose in a silly time lord hat.

Self-satisfied, short-sighted but capable of more, manipulative, dangerous when crossed -- she'd fit right in.

[biichan.livejournal.com]

So basically Ten/Rose happened because she reminded him of home?

[lizbee.livejournal.com]

It's not an interpretation that stands up to the remotest bit of attention, but it amuses me.

(Also, Ten/Rose happened? WHERE? I was trying to make a vid, and it required footage of Ten being the one making overtures to Rose. There was no footage. Rose's romantic attraction to the Doctor was as unrequited as Martha's; she just didn't get the same level of headgames.)

(You could argue that she got even more headgames, since the Doctor basically strung her along.)

[nostalgia-lj.livejournal.com]

Last time I saw Terror of the Zygons was just after School Reunion and we were like "...yeah, I can see why they said they were in love."

[lizbee.livejournal.com]

Yes! But then I watched "Revenge of the Cybermen", which was all about how Sarah and Harry are secretly married.

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

I have lots of very clever things to say, but I'm watching "Terror of the Zygons" and shipping Doctor/Loch Ness Monster.

that was mah first episode! i haven't seen it since i first saw it, er, nine years ago? gah.

Self-satisfied, short-sighted but capable of more, manipulative, dangerous when crossed -- she'd fit right in.

i seriously can't care enough about rose after JE to have very in-depth conversations about her, because it's impossible. RTD took away whatever depth there was was. probably if she'd been a character i was more invested in i would be trying to make some fanon to fix her, but as it is... yeah, i already wasted time on that after doomsday, so what's the point? she and handy will break up when she wants him to be the doctor and he can't be, and he'll blame her for being trapping him in a parallel world world without a TARDIS, and it'll be a huge mess. or, they'll live happily ever after. either way, RTD reduced all of her concerns to whether she was with her man, and thus there's not a lot i'm interested in exploring there.

[lizbee.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's the thing. After TSE and JE, what's the point? Even the supplementary material like interviews usually contains some seeds of layers for Rose, but in this case -- "she wants the Doctor back". That's nice, Rose, now can you explain why there's ocean where some Pacific islands used to be?