sex and death

[prof_pangaea]

so apparently i will be reccing at three_settings this week. check it out if you're curious as to what kind of fic makes me think, "oh that was quite sexy. oh, and also well-written. and i won't mind admitting to that in public. too much." or avoid that, if you're afraid to find out (or already knoooow and wish you didn't D:).

meanwhile, there's a thread on the anonmeme about whether gallifrey and the time lords should be brought back. and so i've been scrolling past this comment all day (which is part of thread where everyone's like, yeah get rid of it for good! stop bringing it up!) and every time i see it it HURTS MY SOUL:

Yeah, but thing is? New canon hasn't really made a case for its absence. I mean, it's present by its constant absence, more so even than Rose was.

other than the fact that that statement doesn't make logical sense (make a case, what?), it's strange to this commenter that the continued absence of the doctor's home planet is "present" within the show? what, is he going to forget he blew it up and wiped every being on it, including his own family, his own children, off the face of the universe? and it's even stranger that this is made more of an issue in the show than rose being gone?

i just. this statement does not compute. of course gallifrey's absence is mentioned more than rose's! GUYS HE DESTROYED HIS ENTIRE SOCIETY, HE COMMITED GENOCIDE AGAINST HIS OWN PEOPLE. HE KILLED HIS OWN CHILDREN. this is more important than a not!girlfriend, even if she was dead, and not alive and healthy with her entire family and an inherited job and inherited wealth. gah!!

Comments

[nostalgia-lj.livejournal.com]

and it's even stranger that this is made more of an issue in the show than rose being gone?

Oh, fandom, how are you so fail?

I don't know why it's such a terrible problem to see DEAD PLANET and DEAD FAMILY as more important to a person than losing your girlfriend who is, as you say, alive and well. (Though even if she was dead it would still be less of An Issue.)

[lizbee.livejournal.com]

I can see what the poster probably means -- that the absence of Gallifrey is almost more profound than its presence in the old series -- but wow, that was poorly phrased.

Also, I'm not sure it's that clever, to equate Gallifrey with Rose. One embodies failure, unmet obligations, lost chances, lost family, domesticity. The other is his home planet.

*eyedart*

I'll get my coat.

What I meant to say, before I got distracted, is that it's not necessarily positive for Rose, equating her with Gallifrey. I mean, the Doctor's attitude to his home is pretty damn ambiguous.

[zougla.livejournal.com]

Maybe the person is saying that the show purposefully dances around the issue of Gallifrey, and never explains why he can't talk about it? (I don't know that this is true or untrue...) And in general the doctor never explains why he doesn't talk about things. Just like he never talks about rose......

who would want to talk about rose, anyway?

[jigglykat.livejournal.com]

You KNOW the anonmeme is bad for the soul! IT'LL POLLUTE YOU WITH STUPIDITY.

[reasonabsurd.livejournal.com]

I want Gallifrey back. *sadness* I liked the rebel!Doctor plotlines of the Old Series better than angst!Doctor that we have now. And plus, I told my friend WHO HAS NEVER WATCHED THE SHOW about Time Lords, and he thought that space bureaucrats in funny hats was a fantastic idea.

[shobogan.livejournal.com]

> > I clicked on your name when you commented on my rec, which made me squee, and I think I can shed some light?

I think the point was - if you don't want Gallifrey to be a presence anymore, destroying it is shooting yourself in the foot. Because it will be, it must be, just in a different way. So saying you don't want it to return and be significant is silly, because it is already.

Perhaps also that the effect of its destruction on the rest of the universe isn't explored very much, and seems to mainly just fuel the Doctor's angst.

(Personally, I'd like them back somehow - not entirely, maybe not Gallifrey itself, but I like the Doctor better as a rebel than a tragic last survivor. And we can entirely ignore the Time Lord culture of Deadly Assassin*, and make it a mix between War Games and later appearances.)

*I have fanwanked that to death and I have no shame.