there is fail inside the fail IT'S A TESSERACT OF FAIL

[prof_pangaea]

hey everyone, i'm sure there's lots of fun to be had with the most recent wank about victoria bitter/thanfiction/etc, but if anyone tries to justify using pronouns like "she", "he/she", "it", etc when talking about him, then i'm sure you wouldn't mind if i took you off of my friends-list.

of course, and i actually say this quite confidently, i have a great friends-list, so i would never expect that anyway. ilu guys.

Comments

[kindkit.livejournal.com]

*headdesking lots and lots*

Jesus Christ, people are acting as if calling thanfiction by his correct pronoun is a goddamn reward. Or as if referring to him as "she" is somehow a deserved punishment for his scams.

My favorite bit of bullshit so far: "If I say "he" it's like I'm insulting real trans people." Um, no.

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

Jesus Christ, people are acting as if calling [info]thanfiction by his correct pronoun is a goddamn reward.

a reward that can be rescinded at any time if the commenter feels as if it's no longer deserved. or if they just can't be arsed.

My favorite bit of bullshit so far: "If I say "he" it's like I'm insulting real trans people." Um, no.

that one was particularly amusing.

[ionlylurkhere.livejournal.com]

BRB, headdesking into next Tuesday. Fandom's transphobia alternately depresses and sickens me. Argleblargh.

(LOL @ "tesseract of fail", though; you do have an awesome turn of phrase)

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

but don't you understand he LIES ABOUT EVERYTHING so this automatically justifies people wanting to make all trans people's identities conditional upon their approval? because obviously respecting gender identity == believing everything he's ever said??

[ionlylurkhere.livejournal.com]

Maybe I'll understand if I get it repeated to me a hundred times!

I don't know how you had the patience to stick around in those f_w threads as long as you did, I really don't.

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

i wasn't there for long, is how. now i see that the idea that VB has only referred to himself as a man and not a TRANS MAN means his identity is obviously invalid. nice. because otherwise people might have thought he was really a man, and not a fake one, i suppose. and also i assume because all trans people have the exact same experience and describe it and temselves in the same way, especially if they are already batshit insane.

[drho.livejournal.com]

I'm confused by the wank itself, but it's not that hard to use the right pronouns.

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

somehow you have summed up my entire response into one succinct sentence. with much less swearing in it as well.

[drho.livejournal.com]

If the fandom wank wiki is accurate, he says he's a transgendered guy. It should be enough.

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

but if we respect his gender identity while wanking him how can we use it against him as a way to confirm or deny his humanity whenever we see fit? :(

[drho.livejournal.com]

But what if he's lying about his gender identity, then we . . . ??? I don't know what.

(He does appear to be a con artist of many usernames and identities, but that speaks for itself.)

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

if he's lying about his gender identity then... using male or neutral pronouns hasn't hurt anyone or swindled them out of any money. so who cares?

[drho.livejournal.com]

Exactly.

[fannishnonsense]

Yeah, this.

[violetisblue.livejournal.com]

Is it really that fucking hard to grasp the idea that if someone lives/identifies as male you say "he," if female you say "she," whatever their assigned birth gender? And whatever the context, "it" in reference to a person is unforgivable.

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

don't you understand that (ostensibly!) trans people have to prove they have the right to be treated as a proper human being? which of course means ignoring the existence of genderqueer people, intersex people, and anyone else who doesn't slot into what cis people decree is the proper box in the gender dichotomy? which also includes anyone who has ever struggled with being trans, especially if they're batshit, because as we know the mentally ill always have a firm grasp on gender theory and what it means in regards to their own identity.

anyway, everyone knows only cis people are allowed be batshit assholes!

[violetisblue.livejournal.com]

"don't you understand that (ostensibly!) trans people have to prove they have the right to be treated as a proper human being? which of course means ignoring the existence of genderqueer people, intersex people, and anyone else who doesn't slot into what cis people decree is the proper box in the gender dichotomy?"

......are you actually suggesting that gender may in fact be a malleable trait located along a complex continuum, rather than an immutable cradle-to-grave assignment to Camp A or Camp B? BUT THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

......are you actually suggesting that gender may in fact be a malleable trait located along a complex continuum, rather than an immutable cradle-to-grave assignment to Camp A or Camp B? BUT THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!

ngl lie, vali, i was waiting for you to reply to this entry because i was in need of your hilarious yet sensible outrage. iluuuuuuu.

[nonelvis]

I was not happy to notice that bit of fail the other day. Like violetisblue says, it should not be that hard a lesson to learn that you call the person by the pronoun they prefer. FFS, people should be able to grasp it under the principle of basic politeness even if they can't wrap their heads around the concept of transgenderism in the first place.

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

so you mean it isn't polite to deny a person's humanity because they've done something horribly shitty? next you'll be insisting that when a woman steals money from you it's not okay to refer to her as a fucking whore, just because there's some kind of history of oppression of women or something!

[nonelvis]

Crap, I have got to stop insisting that even the shittiest human beings deserve basic rights! People will start thinking I'm Cult of Nice or something.

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

frankly, the more i read about it, the more i just don't think it's really fandom_wank material as much as unfunny_business. dude seems like he's had a rough life and is probably mentally ill. which doesn't excuse all the money he's swindled from people with fake charities and such, but it doesn't seem like funny haha snapewife stuff either.

[skipthedemon.livejournal.com]

I'll be the first person to be admit I have *lots* to learn about the issues trans and other non-cis people face. I say this as a women who has major issues with the expectations tied to being a woman! Nevertheless, that calling someone by the gender they chose to identify by is basic politeness is a pretty simple concept. *headdesk*

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

you seem to have already absorbed lesson 01: don't be an asshat.

[fourzoas.livejournal.com]

*eyeroll* Between this and that Ianto pdf, I think it's time for me to get off the internets for the night. Sigh.

[stunt-muppet.livejournal.com]

...wow. I'd managed not to hear about this wank until now. That's epic. (For a bit there I got confused and thought he was the one behind the "my head is pastede on yey" meme, but apparently it was someone else. LOTR fandom funnels a lot of weird through it, doesn't it.)

Lots of fail on insisting on calling him "she" or "it", though. You don't have to approve of someone as a person to respect their gender identification, you'd think F_W would know that.

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

f_w is too busy congratulating themselves on how liberal and progressive they are for being willing to use male pronouns after having been asked over and over again, because as you know doing so is a very difficult and expensive endeavour that costs each user actual sweat and money. except of course for the people who are still using the wrong pronouns or insisting that he's really a woman because only women are so bitchy and backstabby.

Totally offtopic, a sliver of WIN in all this fail

[brewsternorth.livejournal.com]

Wore your "This machine kills fascists" T-shirt to a friend's party. I was advised that, if you're going to Gally, bring more of *those* T-shirts if you can, since there are a lot of Whovians among Woody Guthrie fans who would want to buy one off you.

Re: Totally offtopic, a sliver of WIN in all this fail

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

yay! i'm going to take pics of both shirt designs and post them to see how many people are interested. but yes, i do plan on making more and taking them out to gally -- glad to hear there are more peeps who are wanting them!

[jigglykat.livejournal.com]

I hadn't even heard of this person before last night, and believe me, I wasted a good couple of hours of my life reading up about the tip of the iceberg, but... yeah.

My brain is exploding from the matryoshka dolls of fail here. <--- SOMEONE HAS DOLLS ON THE BRAINS.

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

can your russian dolls fit inside my tesseract? or should that be the other way round? either way that's a lot of multi-dimensional fail.

[feanorian.livejournal.com]

Wow. Blast from the past time, i haven't heard of VB since that epic LotR scam he pulled!
Pronoun fail, however, is epically fail-y, and i *really* wish English had a non-offensive gender-neutral pronoun.


Also - Prof, i haven't talked to you in about a zillion years. How are ya these days?

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

i'd never heard of him before yesterday and i was like, O____O!!!! reading up on the past exploits. meanwhile, english does have non-offensive gender-neutral pronouns, people just insist that they are unable to use them because they are "fake" or "made-up" words, because they have no idea how language works. then they go onto say things like "lol" and "wait a sec, i have to tweet this."

edit: i am doing pretty well! i'm in milwaukee, got a new boyfriend, two cool roommates, two awesome kitties. er, back to looking for a job again, but that's probably the case for about half the people i know, so. how about you?

[zougla.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately, introducing new pronouns into a language is not the same as introducing new nouns and verbs. It's not impossible either.

But, uh, a slashed up "shit" sure isn't the answer.... wow.

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

not the same thing, obviously, but also not impossible, and also doesn't make the words fake, which is what i always hear as an excuse against gender-neutral pronouns.

and... yeah. what the actual fuck, on that one.

[rhipowered.livejournal.com]

Exactly this. For fuck's sake, he may be the worst person in the world, but that's no excuse to be a complete transphobic asshole.

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

wait -- IT ISN'T? but i thought these things were inextricably linked in magical ways that no one can ever understand!

[gypsyjr.livejournal.com]

Ugh. Just.... *headdesk*

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

yes.

[gypsyjr.livejournal.com]

Assholish behavior is completely separate from gender identity, and using one as ammunition against the other is just unacceptable.

ffs people, this isn't rocket science.

[stardust9121.livejournal.com]

It is moments like these when I am glad I am currently waaaaaay out on the fandom fringes of Lurky McLurkville.