anyway, i am remembering that i was quite glad when i heard billie piper was leaving at the end of the second series, because the producers had ruined rose and rose was ruining the doctor. when it was announced that she was coming back for s4 i was really glad, because i thought they could fix a lot of what they did to her character, and frankly, retcon her character in general, because watching those episodes again i keep wondering why the fuck anyone would really care about her, the way she was written. obviously that chance was squandered with journey's end.
I could go on and on about how Rose ruined the Doctor, how she ruined him two series after she left. How it seemed no companion could have a Rose free time... but this would become a very long post indeed. I had many fears and worries about Rose returning in series four but I had also some hope that when she came back she would be a amazing character. That she would have grown up and matured and stopped being so selfish. That she would have had "that fantastic life" the Doctor wanted her to have. Silly me for hoping for something better because what we got was something worse. They took the worse parts of her character - her selfish, immaturely and obsessiveness with the Doctor and intensified it.
anyway i have been thinking of this because of watching the series with noobs. having to explain, "no, really, it gets better! i swear!" makes me realise that if i hadn't been a doctor who fan before the new series began, i probably wouldn't be a fan now. or if i was, it would be because i had stopped watching during series two, caught an episode from series 3 or 4, and though, "oh, this looks a lot better now! awesome." and now fandom's not just made up of people who knew the old series, or people who watched rose and nine (or ten) and fell for the show; we've got that plus we've got people who came in with martha, and people who came in with donna, and we've got enough history for people to start saying, "yeah, i don't really like that character/season/episode" and have it not necessarily be a wank storm, just like nowadays people can say trial of a time lord was a bit shite and it doesn't mean they hate doctor who. or colin baker. or... mel. although they probably do hate mel (i can still love mel because i *haven't* seen trial of a time lord. ha!). and yeah, i'm afraid that, upon consideration, i just don't like rose. not the one we got on screen, anyway. here's to hoping she can be the next mel, though, given some years (and big finish getting many, many renewals of their license).
*raises hand* I joined the shown when Martha did. I need to go read Wicapia about Mel.
but it was all worth it because we got mickey. mickey, i love you. if you were mah boyfriend i would not leave you behind during an crazy apocalyptic earthquake/time storm. and if RTD wanted to make a character people could relate to, i'll take him -- a good, decent guy, kind of goofy, tries to do the right thing, in love with someone who doesn't love him back, but strong enough to face up to that in the end, starts off watching the game on telly and goes on to save the world with the skills he taught himself. also he's hot. i like that too.
also jackie. i wish i had a jackie.
I love Mickey! He started off as this coward zineophile(sp) in the first episode but grows into this amazing character who is really underrated. i love his return in series four. He was only shown to be better with his return. He really is someone people could relate to (like Martha and Donna).
I agree he's hot! I'm a Noel Clark fan since before his days on Doctor Who.
Also Jackie rocks. No one really giver her enough credit either. it's a shame, so many people force on Rose (one of the worse characters in new who verse) and over look two brilliant side characters who where around the same time.
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Date: 2008-11-16 09:15 pm (UTC)I could go on and on about how Rose ruined the Doctor, how she ruined him two series after she left. How it seemed no companion could have a Rose free time... but this would become a very long post indeed. I had many fears and worries about Rose returning in series four but I had also some hope that when she came back she would be a amazing character. That she would have grown up and matured and stopped being so selfish. That she would have had "that fantastic life" the Doctor wanted her to have. Silly me for hoping for something better because what we got was something worse. They took the worse parts of her character - her selfish, immaturely and obsessiveness with the Doctor and intensified it.
anyway i have been thinking of this because of watching the series with noobs. having to explain, "no, really, it gets better! i swear!" makes me realise that if i hadn't been a doctor who fan before the new series began, i probably wouldn't be a fan now. or if i was, it would be because i had stopped watching during series two, caught an episode from series 3 or 4, and though, "oh, this looks a lot better now! awesome." and now fandom's not just made up of people who knew the old series, or people who watched rose and nine (or ten) and fell for the show; we've got that plus we've got people who came in with martha, and people who came in with donna, and we've got enough history for people to start saying, "yeah, i don't really like that character/season/episode" and have it not necessarily be a wank storm, just like nowadays people can say trial of a time lord was a bit shite and it doesn't mean they hate doctor who. or colin baker. or... mel. although they probably do hate mel (i can still love mel because i *haven't* seen trial of a time lord. ha!). and yeah, i'm afraid that, upon consideration, i just don't like rose. not the one we got on screen, anyway. here's to hoping she can be the next mel, though, given some years (and big finish getting many, many renewals of their license).
*raises hand* I joined the shown when Martha did. I need to go read Wicapia about Mel.
but it was all worth it because we got mickey. mickey, i love you. if you were mah boyfriend i would not leave you behind during an crazy apocalyptic earthquake/time storm. and if RTD wanted to make a character people could relate to, i'll take him -- a good, decent guy, kind of goofy, tries to do the right thing, in love with someone who doesn't love him back, but strong enough to face up to that in the end, starts off watching the game on telly and goes on to save the world with the skills he taught himself. also he's hot. i like that too.
also jackie. i wish i had a jackie.
I love Mickey! He started off as this coward zineophile(sp) in the first episode but grows into this amazing character who is really underrated. i love his return in series four. He was only shown to be better with his return. He really is someone people could relate to (like Martha and Donna).
I agree he's hot! I'm a Noel Clark fan since before his days on Doctor Who.
Also Jackie rocks. No one really giver her enough credit either. it's a shame, so many people force on Rose (one of the worse characters in new who verse) and over look two brilliant side characters who where around the same time.