Yeah Jackie doesn't even like him and she doing all that to look after him. I'm trying to think of some Rose/compassionate scenes that aren't tained by something. I can't think of anything right now.
okay, she talks to people like gwyneth and the blue girl from EotW, but that's not so much showing compassion as not being actively assholic. plus, with gwyneth, she really does talk down to her and treat her as naive and stupid, just because gwyneth is a product of her culture, which is in itself a rather naive and unintelligent kind of behaviour...
...then, in tEC she hears a child calling for its mother, and tries to find him, until she gets distracted by a barrage balloon and captain jack's arse, and the kid never comes back into her mind until the doctor mentions him.
Gweneth is one scene that comes to mind but it's tainted by as you say her treatment of her, The way she talked down to her. As you pointed out for The Empty Child she cares about the kid till she meets Jack and then completely forgets about him. She has zero compassion for the lost alien child in Fear Her even after the Doctor tried to talk some into her. The only time I can see some untainted compassion is Love and Monsters towards Elton.
now i'm halfway through the second series and i forgot how much of it was so bad i had to repress it. i mean, i remember facepalming and cringing a lot, but god damn. watching RotC/AoS was especially painful as rose is at the peak of selfishness and immaturity, to the point of character bashing -- the scene where the doctor is telling her that if she ever trusted him, EVER, she needs to listen to him, and not go and try to find pete, while she pouts and keeps stealing glances over at the poster of him. ugh.
That episode shows her at one of her worst most selfish moments. I can't even stand to watch it anymore. She learned NOTHING from Father's Day. She saw in Father's Day what can and will happen when she doesn't listen to the Doctor about stuff like that. She caused millions of people to die in Father's Day with her selfishness before her Father changed fixed it. And she goes and does the same thing again in that episode even after the Doctor gave her his "if you ever trusted me" speech. She does the same thing again in series four only it's to get to the Doctor instead of Pete. Damn the universe it only matter what she wants. She is told all three times by the Doctor she can't because it's 'rip hole in time', 'it's bad' and 'risk destroying both universes if you travel back and forth'.
also it is frustrating because david tennant has better chemistry with pretty much everyone on the show than billie piper. how about the scene where, right after the TARDIS *dies* (the thing rose knows is the most important to the doctor) rose wanders off to emo about her not!dad, and mickey stays with the doctor, and asks him about travelling between parallel worlds, and the doctor tells him about the time lords. actually, i think he says more to mickey about the time lords than he's ever said to rose. *facepalms*
Good points. She puts the Doctor ahead of her family and boyfriend/best friend but he still comes second to herself. It's like Rose's reaction in Turn Left to the Doctor's death "I came so far." *rolleyes* I love that Mickey takes the time to ask the Doctor and the TARDIS. It just shows what great guy he is. At that point in the episode he could have been off being emo about the woman who raised him being alive instead he was with the Doctor taking the time.
this was SO GREAT for about two seconds, until mickey turns back and sees rose and the doctor smiling and hugging each other and, you know, giving each other the consideration they never seem to give him. and dammit, that's when he decides he's staying in the alt!verse. you can see it on his face.
It was so good for those two seconds. I'm so glad Mickey walked away of his own free will because it was what was good for him. Martha ended up doing the same thing too.
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Date: 2008-11-16 08:55 pm (UTC)Yeah Jackie doesn't even like him and she doing all that to look after him. I'm trying to think of some Rose/compassionate scenes that aren't tained by something. I can't think of anything right now.
okay, she talks to people like gwyneth and the blue girl from EotW, but that's not so much showing compassion as not being actively assholic. plus, with gwyneth, she really does talk down to her and treat her as naive and stupid, just because gwyneth is a product of her culture, which is in itself a rather naive and unintelligent kind of behaviour...
...then, in tEC she hears a child calling for its mother, and tries to find him, until she gets distracted by a barrage balloon and captain jack's arse, and the kid never comes back into her mind until the doctor mentions him.
Gweneth is one scene that comes to mind but it's tainted by as you say her treatment of her, The way she talked down to her. As you pointed out for The Empty Child she cares about the kid till she meets Jack and then completely forgets about him. She has zero compassion for the lost alien child in Fear Her even after the Doctor tried to talk some into her. The only time I can see some untainted compassion is Love and Monsters towards Elton.
now i'm halfway through the second series and i forgot how much of it was so bad i had to repress it. i mean, i remember facepalming and cringing a lot, but god damn. watching RotC/AoS was especially painful as rose is at the peak of selfishness and immaturity, to the point of character bashing -- the scene where the doctor is telling her that if she ever trusted him, EVER, she needs to listen to him, and not go and try to find pete, while she pouts and keeps stealing glances over at the poster of him. ugh.
That episode shows her at one of her worst most selfish moments. I can't even stand to watch it anymore. She learned NOTHING from Father's Day. She saw in Father's Day what can and will happen when she doesn't listen to the Doctor about stuff like that. She caused millions of people to die in Father's Day with her selfishness before her Father changed fixed it. And she goes and does the same thing again in that episode even after the Doctor gave her his "if you ever trusted me" speech. She does the same thing again in series four only it's to get to the Doctor instead of Pete. Damn the universe it only matter what she wants. She is told all three times by the Doctor she can't because it's 'rip hole in time', 'it's bad' and 'risk destroying both universes if you travel back and forth'.
also it is frustrating because david tennant has better chemistry with pretty much everyone on the show than billie piper. how about the scene where, right after the TARDIS *dies* (the thing rose knows is the most important to the doctor) rose wanders off to emo about her not!dad, and mickey stays with the doctor, and asks him about travelling between parallel worlds, and the doctor tells him about the time lords. actually, i think he says more to mickey about the time lords than he's ever said to rose. *facepalms*
Good points. She puts the Doctor ahead of her family and boyfriend/best friend but he still comes second to herself. It's like Rose's reaction in Turn Left to the Doctor's death "I came so far." *rolleyes* I love that Mickey takes the time to ask the Doctor and the TARDIS. It just shows what great guy he is. At that point in the episode he could have been off being emo about the woman who raised him being alive instead he was with the Doctor taking the time.
this was SO GREAT for about two seconds, until mickey turns back and sees rose and the doctor smiling and hugging each other and, you know, giving each other the consideration they never seem to give him. and dammit, that's when he decides he's staying in the alt!verse. you can see it on his face.
It was so good for those two seconds. I'm so glad Mickey walked away of his own free will because it was what was good for him. Martha ended up doing the same thing too.