sex and death

[prof_pangaea]

so apparently i will be reccing at three_settings this week. check it out if you're curious as to what kind of fic makes me think, "oh that was quite sexy. oh, and also well-written. and i won't mind admitting to that in public. too much." or avoid that, if you're afraid to find out (or already knoooow and wish you didn't D:).

meanwhile, there's a thread on the anonmeme about whether gallifrey and the time lords should be brought back. and so i've been scrolling past this comment all day (which is part of thread where everyone's like, yeah get rid of it for good! stop bringing it up!) and every time i see it it HURTS MY SOUL:

Yeah, but thing is? New canon hasn't really made a case for its absence. I mean, it's present by its constant absence, more so even than Rose was.

other than the fact that that statement doesn't make logical sense (make a case, what?), it's strange to this commenter that the continued absence of the doctor's home planet is "present" within the show? what, is he going to forget he blew it up and wiped every being on it, including his own family, his own children, off the face of the universe? and it's even stranger that this is made more of an issue in the show than rose being gone?

i just. this statement does not compute. of course gallifrey's absence is mentioned more than rose's! GUYS HE DESTROYED HIS ENTIRE SOCIETY, HE COMMITED GENOCIDE AGAINST HIS OWN PEOPLE. HE KILLED HIS OWN CHILDREN. this is more important than a not!girlfriend, even if she was dead, and not alive and healthy with her entire family and an inherited job and inherited wealth. gah!!

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[nostalgia-lj.livejournal.com]

and it's even stranger that this is made more of an issue in the show than rose being gone?

Oh, fandom, how are you so fail?

I don't know why it's such a terrible problem to see DEAD PLANET and DEAD FAMILY as more important to a person than losing your girlfriend who is, as you say, alive and well. (Though even if she was dead it would still be less of An Issue.)

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

i can't really tell if the poster doesn't think that gallifrey's as important as rose (i'm thinking no, but there are some crazy peeps in this fandom so who knows), or whether they're just bothered by the constant allusions to both.

but if it is the latter, then surely a person should be able to see that allusions to gallifrey are on a competely different level than allusions to rose, right? and how allusions to one make sense because it's probably the most important event of the doctor's entire life, and the other is... not.

[nostalgia-lj.livejournal.com]

Actually, it'd be interesting to know if Rose or Gallifrey have been mentioned more since she left. Hmm.

[prof-pangaea.livejournal.com]

i feel like it's obviously gallifrey, but that may be because the emotional impact of when gallifrey is mentioned is always much greater. there's the whole flashback sequence in tSoD, and of course that whole three part finale was about the doctor finding out that there was another survivor and what that meant. and there are the times it's brought up in s4, like FoP, when the doctor needs donna's help to set off the volcano because he can't kill so many people again, and then later when she's pleading with him to save someone, and he snaps he can't save anyone, because he couldn't save anyone on gallifrey. and of course he's wrong. plus all the stuff in tDD, wanting not to be the last, being afraid of it, having his new family taken away again so quickly; and all of the stuff about how hard it is to stop killing once you start. plus the line, "the man who dare not look back, out of shame" in JE.

um, yes. so that kind of stuff sticks in my mind more than, "not that you're replacing her". yes.